Kay Gabriel (@unit01barbie), of DSA Emerge and the #DefundNYPD campaign, stops by to give a counterpoint to some of our previous guests' takes on cutting police budgets as part of the road to abolition. Equal time doctrine, but only for different types of communists!

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Check out "We Want It All: An Anthology of Radical Trans Poetics," edited by Kay Gabriel and Andrea Abi-Karam (some of the poems are about abolishing the police!): https://nightboat.org/book/we-want-it-all/

Intro/Outro: "Total Eclipse of the Heart" (vaporwave remix)

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